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2010/10/03 23:02:34 (permalink)

oil leak?

i have noticed that the head from where it bolts to the jug & is wet from there to the top of the head. i noticed a light odor coming from the front of the bike after a small run & after some looking around i noticed it. i haven't messed w/the motor or had this problem so i haven't tried to fix it yet. figured i'd describe it & see what yall thot. i wanna say that it might be the gasket but it isn't wet from where the head bolts to the jug downward. only where they mate & upward. if it was a gasket leak it'd leak where they mate & downward right? am i describing this clear enough?

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/03 23:28:14 (permalink)
    Dreg it's not a valve cover leaking is it?

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 03:53:56 (permalink)
    Thats what i was thinking. Maybe the valve cover which is a really easy fix.

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 08:57:47 (permalink)
    i looked up the parts & there is a gasket that goes around the fastener. that is the head bolts correct? it is wet from the top of the head & downward so this is where i am gonna start. also see that there are some crush washers for them too. do i tighten these bolts like the oil drain plug or a little tighter? i'm gonna check my valves too. any one know what the specs are? i know they should be on on the tight side if i remember right.

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 10:47:10 (permalink)
    Dreg I got the valves on my 700 @ 3 & 5.  Here ya go



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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 11:00:52 (permalink)
    that looks like jibberish to me. all that i understand is the torque specs.

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 11:38:50 (permalink)
    take a pic

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 13:02:26 (permalink)
    i knew i shoulda took a pic before i left for work but i didn't. i am thinking the valve seals are bad maybe. the jug is dry where the head mates to the jug. the top of the head is wet down to where it mates to the jug. gravity would pull the leak down onto the jug if it was a valve cover gasket correct? wet on the top would indicate valve seals right? i'm new to this as i've never had this problem before. i want to learn to fix it & diagnose the problems so until i get a pic up i'd appreciate any tid bits & thots anyone has. or any comments or concerns. anything regarding this really.

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 13:03:31 (permalink)
    The Rocker box/Valve cover does not take a gasket it uses sealer the same as the use when you split the cases and really thats the only place i think you would see oil coming from.

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 13:11:08 (permalink)
    well i noted on dcp.com that there are 4- valve fastener seals & crush washers & there is a head gasket so maybe that is what i should've said in lieu of the valve cover gasket? i wouldn't have caught it if it wasn't that smell you get when you drop oil onto a hot header pipe like when putting oil into a car or truck.

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 14:09:07 (permalink)
    Mine has a slight seep where the jug bolts down onto the cases, in the front. Its not like u can get it on ur finger, but I can see it develop after my bike sits for a week. No water gets in there so I said efff it. Also my center cases were leaking in a spot right above the front output shaft... only way to fix that was to slpit the cases again.... forget that!.. jb weld is awesome lmao

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 16:18:40 (permalink)
    Dregg, from what you're describing it's gonna be like everyone else is saying, the valve cover is leaking. This will leave an oil residue from the top of head down to where head and jug meat.
     
    Mine is doing it slightly also. It's an easy fix. You can either go through and resnug each valve cover bolt, or go ahead and remove it, seal it, and go with it.

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 17:50:46 (permalink)
    so corky, what you are saying is just re-tighten the bolts? if i pull them out then i need to silicone the valve cover when i put it back correct? my bad for my noobness on this. i can do a lot of things but i have never done this before or dealt w/it. i can do this too just trying to learn.
     
    also, i can adjust the valves while i have the valve cover off correct? i'll see if the bolts are loose when i get back home. if they are then i'll assume that was my problem.

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 18:09:59 (permalink)
    no need to silicone the valve covers.  They have a big o-ring seal on them that shouldn't need and silicone.  I'd check to make sure your valve covers are tight first

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 18:21:49 (permalink)
    that's what i'll do. i'll post back this w/e when i get home & let yall know. thanks.

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 19:09:01 (permalink)
    Mine was seeping a little around the valve cover as well. All I did was snug them up and it's all good.

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 21:11:01 (permalink)
    yeh, i'm gonna buy some feeler gauges & chack the valve lash for my 1st time. cherry poppin lol.

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/04 22:47:48 (permalink)
    Dregg, you're not really gonna "feel" the bolts loose or anything. They'll likely all feel pretty tight, but just give each an extra snug (but dont go overboard)
     
    IF that doesnt solve the issue, then you can apply sealant.
     
    As for the valves, no, you cant adjust them with the valve cover off. The rockers are what you're adjusting and the rockers are housed in the valve cover (meaning attatched to valve cover) If you remove the valve cover, then you just removed the rockers too but the valve are still in the head. Cant really adjust anything unless they're together.

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/05 07:05:36 (permalink)
    Well when I say the valve covers I guess I actually mean the "inspections plates" but I believe that's what we're talking about Corky.  At least I am, lol

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/05 09:39:30 (permalink)
    so when i insert the feeler gauge (not really sure where to insert) the gauge should slide in w/little resistance correct? i can turn the motor over by removing the cover plate to the pull start & turn it w/a ratchet right?

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/05 10:16:14 (permalink)
    dre on the left side of the engine is a big allen head screw plug that you line up the marks to put it on TDC.  plug your spark plug and then just bump your starter until you see a line line up with the arrow on the outside of the engine where you removed that allen plug at

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/05 11:24:31 (permalink)
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    Well when I say the valve covers I guess I actually mean the "inspections plates" but I believe that's what we're talking about Corky.  At least I am, lol

     
    Yea you're correct here local, but from what I'm reading his description isnt leaking from there. He's leaking from right at the top of the head so it's between the head and complete valve/rocker cover. This area doesnt have a gasket or seal of any kind normally and a simple knick somewhere can allow a leak. Sometimes it can be tightened and cured, sometimes you may need to apply a bead of sealant.



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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/05 11:40:13 (permalink)
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    so when i insert the feeler gauge (not really sure where to insert) the gauge should slide in w/little resistance correct? i can turn the motor over by removing the cover plate to the pull start & turn it w/a ratchet right?


    Dregg, the oval inspection plates as Local mentioned above are where you'll be adjusting the valves at. When you take those off you'll see the rocker arms and the valve springs. The rocker arms will have little nuts and threaded shafts on them. That's your adjustments.
     
    Your feelers will slide between the rockers and the valve spring area, and you adjust the threaded shaft down to that.

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/05 12:07:51 (permalink)
    The Rocker cover does have a seal and its made out of a liquid sealant stuff that you can buy (some suggest not to use black RTV for this) however I have used it with success but it does come from the factory with a sealant in this area. Now if you end up pulling the rocker cover DREGG keep in mind there are all the bolts you can see and then there is also an additional bolt under each of the valve inspection covers that also need removed and whatever you do dont pry on the rocker cover just give it a little bump and it should pop free. The rocker covers can and do leak some so that is likely your problem!!

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/05 12:13:56 (permalink)
    Taker, that's the best and simplest explanation yet.
     
    But, are you sure they all come with some type of sealant from the factory? I know for sure my 500 does not have any sealant here. Possibly removed from previous owner?? IDK. I had the cover off when replacing the cam and know for a fact that it doenst have sealant now.

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/05 14:19:44 (permalink)
    went to my dealer while at lunch. while i was there i took a look at amotor they had a part so i could get an idea of what is what & how they'll look. job looks simple ebnough.

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/05 20:49:10 (permalink)
    ebnough=FAIL!!

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/08 21:04:11 (permalink)
    ebnough = spelling fail!
     
    one of the valve cover bolts were loose. that i guess was my prob. will see if that foxed it. i put a lil silly cone round it & tightened it down & went round all of them & made sure they were all tight. just that one was loose.
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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/08 22:37:55 (permalink)
    Foxed=Fail again LMAO

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    Re:oil leak? 2010/10/08 23:08:47 (permalink)
    But on the real my ol ladies bike is doin the same.. Went to tighten the bolts and a couple seemed like they are stripped not sure why though..Hmmm

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