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Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs

HID Fitment/ Guide
 
High Intensity Discharge – HIDS uses more start up power, once running it will pull less power. Some ATV may require a Relay to be installed either through the kit provided or making your own from Auto Parts store parts. This is just a small guide on what HIDS do and what fits what bike and may help you install them. BiXenon is a Dual HID for both High and Low, without BiXenon you will have HID Low and Halogen High.
 
Overall best HID thread on HL pertaining to all things HIDS with tons of info. It is mainly a thread for How To – Brute Force HIDS but with the Relay wiring on page 8 will help you out.  http://forum.highlifter.com/tm.aspx?HID-headlights-WOW-Incredible&m=2502412&high=HIDS+wow&mpage=1
 
 
WIRING  - this is a writing wiring diagram on to what wires goes to what to wire up a relay.  
 
Pin 30 - Goes to 12v positive battery connection (must be fused)
Pin 85 - Goes to chassis ground
Pin 86 - Trigger connection (what you use to tell the relay to turn on, like the high power switch wire)
Pin 87 - Output, what you want to power, like the positive side of the HID ballast
 

Picture Wiring

 This is the schematic to use one relay:
  
 



This is the schematic if you want to use a relay on each side, for each HID, you need this on each side: This is the schematic to use one relay:
 


 
 
Waterproofing Every HID Ballast that I have used and/or seen has been waterproof from the get go with no modifications but its up to you if you want to or not. For the bulbs most people use 5Min Epoxy to seal up and around the bulbs and will last longer and hold tighter then silicone. Just wont be able to remove, but if you do it right the first time they will last longer then any halogen bulb you can get.
 
 
Arctic Cat uses an 880-881 HID bulb in both High and Low beam socket which is separated and simply just plug and play.
 
Can-Am uses an H4 bulb for both High and Low with a single beam for both. You can order a H4 BiXenon for both functions.
 
Honda uses a H6M bulb that will fit into the stock socket but will still require Epoxy to hold it tight. Other use a 880 Bulb and also Epoxy it into place.

Kawasaki uses the H3 Bulb and then modified into the stock headlight socket, which is explained greatly in this thread http://forum.highlifter.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=3378682&mpage=1#3378710
 
Polaris uses a 880 to 881 single beam Bulb. I think the ’11 RZR and maybe XP could be different.
 
Suzuki uses a H4 Bulb in both Headlights and 3rd Top Light, and will most likely require a Relay. Here is a great link on How To for the King Quad. http://nyrocatv.com/techtip.cgi?viewtopic=526
 
Yamaha uses a H4 Bulb plug and play with Epoxy for the 700’s and a 880 Bulb modified for the 660’s with Epoxy.
 
 
Colors the K stands for Kelvins, which is the temperature, the HIDS burn at. 4,500K –8,000K is the color most people use because it gives the most light output without being to blue or to white. 10,000K is the bluest I would go and its pretty blue.

 
35W and 55W are the different wattages the HIDS use. Most ATV’s should be fine with just the 35W and the 55W are not really necessary on an ATV. But if you do get 55W then always up one color size from what you want. IE. 55W 8K is the same as a 35W 6K. IMO a 55W is to much for a ATV. 
 
Companies  WWW.DDMTUNING.COM has the best prices for HID Kits. VVME.com is ok also with a good Bulb Guide on their hompage.
post edited by Solitude - 2010/12/07 13:02:38

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2010/12/07 09:39:32 (permalink)
    nice writeup solitude best one for HID's ive seen, this should def be sticked maybe in tech info,

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2010/12/07 11:44:06 (permalink)
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    HID Fitment/ Guide
     
    High Intensity Discharge – HIDS uses more start up power, once running it will pull less power. Some ATV may require a Relay to be installed either through the kit provided or making your own from Auto Parts store parts. This is just a small guide on what HIDS do and what fits what bike and may help you install them. BiXenon is a Dual HID for both High and Low, without BiXenon you will have HID Low and Halogen High.
     
    Overall best HID thread on HL pertaining to all things HIDS with tons of info. It is mainly a thread for How To – Brute Force HIDS but with the Relay wiring on page 8 will help you out.  http://forum.highlifter.com/tm.aspx?HID-headlights-WOW-Incredible&m=2502412&high=HIDS+wow&mpage=1


    WIRING  - this is a writing wiring diagram on to what wires goes to what to wire up a relay.  
     
    Pin 30 - Goes to 12v positive battery connection (must be fused)
    Pin 85 - Goes to chassis ground
    Pin 86 - Trigger connection (what you use to tell the relay to turn on, like the high power switch wire)
    Pin 87 - Output, what you want to power, like the positive side of the HID ballast

    Picture Wiring

     This is the schematic to use one relay:
      




    This is the schematic if you want to use a relay on each side, for each HID, you need this on each side: This is the schematic to use one relay:





    Waterproofing Every HID Ballast that I have used and/or seen has been waterproof from the get go with no modifications but its up to you if you want to or not. For the bulbs most people use 5Min Epoxy to seal up and around the bulbs and will last longer and hold tighter then silicone. Just wont be able to remove, but if you do it right the first time they will last longer then any halogen bulb you can get.


    Arctic Cat uses an 880-881 HID bulb in both High and Low beam socket which is separated and simply just plug and play.

    Can-Am uses an H4 bulb for both High and Low with a single beam for both. You can order a H4 BiXenon for both functions.

    Honda uses a H6M bulb that will fit into the stock socket but will still require Epoxy to hold it tight. Other use a 880 Bulb and also Epoxy it into place.

    Kawasaki uses the H3 Bulb and then modified into the stock headlight socket, which is explained greatly in this thread http://forum.highlifter.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=3378682&mpage=1#3378710

    Polaris uses a 880 to 881 single beam Bulb. I think the ’11 RZR and maybe XP could be different.

    Suzuki uses a H4 Bulb in both Headlights and 3rd Top Light, and will most likely require a Relay. Here is a great link on How To for the King Quad. http://nyrocatv.com/techtip.cgi?viewtopic=526

    Yamaha uses a H4 Bulb plug and play with Epoxy for the 700’s and a 880 Bulb modified for the 660’s with Epoxy.


    Colors the K stands for Kelvins, which is the temperature, the HIDS burn at. 6,000K –8,000K is the color most people use because it gives the most light output without being to blue or to white. 10,000K is the bluest I would go and its pretty blue.

    35W and 55W are the different wattages the HIDS use. Most ATV’s should be fine with just the 35W and the 55W are not really necessary on an ATV. But if you do get 55W then always up one color size from what you want. IE. 55W 8K is the same as a 35W 6K. IMO a 55W is to much for a ATV. 

     
    Great Write up BUT 4300K is the whitest light you can get from HID (Best for color rendering, I.E. will be like sunlight) and has the highest Lumen out put.
     
    But, Most HID companies don't have real strick Tolorances on the K rating due to how many cheap kits are out there.
     
    4,000 - 6,000K will be the best option if you want the best Lumen output

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2010/12/07 12:03:14 (permalink)
    i got 3 sets of 5k's. they are nice. kinda wish i woulda went w/the 6k's tho since they are slightly less brighter & i only use one of them lol. it's all i really need. 6k's will be goin on my truck.

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2010/12/07 12:51:40 (permalink)
    Yea but most want a little color to it so thats why I put 6K without it being to white. But keep this going and Ill edit it accordingly.

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/01/28 11:39:19 (permalink)
    can anybody show me their installation for a 420 rancher? i got a h6m kit but its not going to work.
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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/01/28 12:32:30 (permalink)
    i used a 9005 8500k for my 420. i siliconed them in incase i ever needed to remove them. i only have low beam but i hooked the high beam wire to some lights i put in the outer corners. i went with the 55w and no relay. havent had any problems yet. helps a ton on the way to the duck blind in the mornings

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/01/29 13:38:19 (permalink)
    The 9005 will screw right in or did you have to dremel?
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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/01/31 11:22:24 (permalink)
    Bump for help please.
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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/02/28 21:17:26 (permalink)
    Solitude - You can add this to your list.  For the Yamaha's.  Wolverine 350's and BigBear 400 they use a H6m bulb.

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/03/07 23:15:00 (permalink)
    can someone tell me how to wire the hids up on a 420? I know you have to splice them in but there are three wires on the stock wires and two from the hids. So what I need to know is what two wires do I use and what do I do with the third one. Thanks.

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/03/08 09:32:18 (permalink)
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    The 9005 will screw right in or did you have to dremel?


    I know this is an old post but for everyone else Avoid the dremel to fit the bulbs if at all possible. The dremel will coat the inside of the light pod with plastic debris and to get it out is a pain. The inside will not be the same. You can flush with distilled water but it still might dull the inside.
     
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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/03/08 09:39:47 (permalink)
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    can someone tell me how to wire the hids up on a 420? I know you have to splice them in but there are three wires on the stock wires and two from the hids. So what I need to know is what two wires do I use and what do I do with the third one. Thanks.

     
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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/04/07 02:33:22 (permalink)
    I see that arctic cat is plug and play with 881 does this mean i don't need hid conversion kit all i need is bulbs?
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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/09/18 12:25:45 (permalink)
    When you guys say fuse the positive wire going to the battery do you mean an inline fuse or fuse box? Cause im going to go with the 55watt, 8000k bi xenons because I need max light output due to lots of night riding and hunting.

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/09/18 13:05:25 (permalink)
    Inline fuse is what i would recommend. Cause the start up power is greater than what your factry harness can handle especialy for 55 watts.

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/09/18 19:10:29 (permalink)
    So run the inline fuse with the relay? And wont I have to start the fourwheeler and then turn the lights on?

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/09/19 06:20:28 (permalink)
    55w is overkill. Maximum light for riding and hunting will be in the 5K range. 8k is for the "look at me" affect. If its an automotive type hid kit you can get a auto type relay harness that will plug right into the ballast to help with the hid start up. You can see it and the installation on YouTube.
     
    With 35w kit you can probably get away without a relay by upping you headlight fuse/fuses from 10amp to 15amp.
     
    Start the quad then the lights.
     
    I running 35w HI/LO Halogen/Hid VVME kit without relay @ 4300k. Replaced the 10amp fuse to 15amp.

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/09/19 06:30:09 (permalink)
    I was going with 8k because it would be the same as 6k 35w. So your saying do the 35w and up the fuses?

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/09/19 07:03:31 (permalink)
    Yes I would. Your wire harness on the quad will handle the change in fuse. If the hid is balky at start up then I would make the relay. Some times mine will not start (one or the other) so I cycle the switch till they start up. The more I use the hid the better they start. Last trip to PA. they started up no problem. Takes about 30 seconds to get maximum light.
     
    55w is way over kill. Do you have hi/lo beams now? If so your good to go. I wouldn't get just hid with no low beam cause it could kill you if your lights go out and you have no low beam.
     
    You can get both hi/lo hid kit. It will put a shield over the single bulb to get low beam.
    I have the hi/lo halogen/hid version, that's two bulbs in the same hole.

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/09/19 16:10:01 (permalink)
    So if I have bi xenon then if my highs go out I won't have a low?

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/09/20 06:41:20 (permalink)
    Your lights won't go out if you loose your high beam. The bi xenon kit from VVME that I'm aware of has a longer bulb that might interfere with your clearance inside your head light pod.
     
    The hi/lo halogen/hid kit I have has a shorter bulb package that did not have a clearance issue with my light pod.
    I would suggest that you find other people that have went to hid with your quad to see how they got it to fit and if they are satisfied with the product.
     
    Have you considered LED? More expensive but way easier to mount and hook up and they are brighter. You also still have your OEM lights.

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/12/14 21:54:35 (permalink)
    i want some HIDs so bad... lol

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2011/12/14 22:22:31 (permalink)
    i can never find a reputable seller. can people please pm me with some sellers for atvs as well as vehicles? thanks.

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2013/07/29 11:09:05 (permalink)
    I have a 2013 Kodiak 450 eps. I just but hids in and worked for a hour not nothing. the just make one quick flash then off. I tryed new bulbs and everythink. can someone help please?
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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2013/07/29 11:12:15 (permalink)
    Do you have the wheeler running when trying to turn them on?

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2013/07/29 16:40:25 (permalink)
    I believe this problem is solved with relays, one each for your HID's. Not easy to do if you haven't seen it done.
    You can try replacing your head lamp fuses. Change from 15a to 20a and see what happens.
     

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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2013/09/15 00:47:19 (permalink)
    HID bulbs have a capsule filled with a mixture of noble gasses and metal halide salts. Unlike a halogen bulb that relies on a glowing tungsten filament to produce light, xenon bulbs work differently. When the ballast fires, it produces around 25K Volts; this is required to start the arc across the two electrodes inside the capsule of the HID bulb. At first, the added intensity and blue color you see is from a type of emission around the two electrodes. In a short time, the temperature in the arc chamber rises, vaporizing the salts. These vaporized salts are then ionized by the arc into a plasma. This plasma is what emits light. It also serves to allow the required arc voltage to drop to around 84V, which is easy for the ballast to maintain - making them very efficient.
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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2013/11/06 14:01:08 (permalink)
    How does a atv HID kit compare to a Cree 6" LED light bar?
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    Re:Ulitmate HID Guide - Everything HIDs 2013/11/06 14:23:09 (permalink)
    Well before the days for LED bars I did a write on changing halogen bulb lights to HIDs.  I had four 6" lights (2 spot and 2 flood) on my Rhino.  I wasn't really happy with the 55w halogen bulb that they came with so I upgraded to 100w bulbs.  Pretty easy thing to do but after awhile I just wasn't impressed anymore.  So I went and upgraded to the 35w HID bulb (had to mod the light housing but it was easy) and it was a NIGHT AND DAY difference!!!!  Here's a pic of 1 spot and 1 flood 100w halogen on the left and 1 spot and 1 flood 35w HIDS on the right.

     
    I sort of have boxes around the areas if you can see it.  
     
    Now this was all before LED bars were the norm, so I don't have any comparison pics between HIDs and LED but with the price of an HID conversion kit under $50, it's almost worth switching over no matter which direction you choose.  
     
    Right now I'm running just HID conversions on my Outlander and it's a nice advantage over factory stuff but sometimes I do wish I had a LED bar to ADD to the mix.   So IMO if your asking if a 6" bar can be a direct replacement for HID headlights, I'd say that would be a pretty close race (the CREE are suppose to be super bright though compared to some of the other bars on the market now).  Personally I'd recommend running both.  The HID upgrade is cheap  (all you need to know is what type of bulb to order) and easy to do.  
    post edited by kickaskey - 2013/11/06 14:26:57

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