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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2013/09/03 16:16:55 (permalink)
I have run og 29.5 outlaws on my foreman i had and they worked great! I ran the 28'' outlaw 2's on my RZR and they did awesome! Have a few buddys running the 28 and 29.5 outlaw 2's on grizzlys and renegades and they are beast mode for sure. I can say the silverbacks are a close second when run size for size & side by side on the same machines for the riding we do. The backs ride a lot rougher, but seem to pull thru 98% of the same stuff. After a few months of debate, I just bit the bullet on the 34'' terms for my RZR and I can say they did better than some of the stuff I've heard on the web. Went hole for hole, pond for pond with a very similar set up RZR 800S on 32'' backs on the last ride. I don't think you could go wrong with either of these tires, but the outlaw/outlaw 2 in my opinion will get thru anything and a little more than the rest i have tried/seen out there and are the best built as far as quality of the tire itself.
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2013/09/15 15:26:13 (permalink)
Just took out the bike and the x lites perform alot better than the mud lites period no comparison they did very wel in wet sand I am riding in central fl didnt get to do any true muddin I was by myself and I dong have a winch so but over all I think they are gona be good for the mid size quads will continue to post my results

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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2013/12/08 23:31:53 (permalink)
May I know where one could get Gorilla Silverback tires from? By the way, excellent write up buddy! I didn't know much about the tires earlier.
Thanks in advance!
 
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/02/03 18:38:29 (permalink)
Cale well done on the review!
If you or someone else could give me an opinion on a new set of tires that would be great.
i got a 07 Can-am 400 im currently running 27x10,27x12 swamplites got them cheap...better than stock ran them for a year i dont really like them... In a perfect world i would get outlaws but being full time student im limited on funds. I ride 70% swamps in South Carolina which consist of bottomless pluff, sand, deep water, and creek crossings.20% dirt roads 10% hard clay(carolina adventure world, durahamtown). so with my budget limiting me to:
vamps
vamp edl
mudbugs
executioners
zillas 
gators
any other recomendations welcome would like to stay in the 90-110 a tire range including shipping
Thanks in advanced.
also in my application would skinnys all round or skinny/wide be better?
have had experience and am not interested in mudzillas or mudlites

 
 
post edited by smokinquack89 - 2014/02/03 19:29:41
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/02/03 19:09:06 (permalink)
Mudlites work great at Carolina adv world I'd look into mega mayhems if I was you

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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/02/04 14:20:47 (permalink)
smokinquack89

Cale well done on the review!
If you or someone else could give me an opinion on a new set of tires that would be great.
i got a 07 Can-am 400 im currently running 27x10,27x12 swamplites got them cheap...better than stock ran them for a year i dont really like them... In a perfect world i would get outlaws but being full time student im limited on funds. I ride 70% swamps in South Carolina which consist of bottomless pluff, sand, deep water, and creek crossings.20% dirt roads 10% hard clay(carolina adventure world, durahamtown). so with my budget limiting me to:
vamps
vamp edl
mudbugs
executioners
zillas 
gators
any other recomendations welcome would like to stay in the 90-110 a tire range including shipping
Thanks in advanced.
also in my application would skinnys all round or skinny/wide be better?
have had experience and am not interested in mudzillas or mudlites




Thanks!  For the tires and terrain/conditions you mentioned, as well as your experience with the Swamplites, I would recommend the combo of the 27x12 Vampire/28" EDL. This will easily be the best performing combo for mud. They ride smooth at low speeds on hard pack and wear is very good. The Mud Bugs, Gators, Executioners and the Zilla's are all relatively equal in the mud and on the trail. Its hard to find a set of the Gators or Mud Bugs anywhere. The Zilla's are the lightest and will reserve the most Horsepower. But, they will also wear quicker than the others.
I wouldn't limit myself to these tires based on price.  You can usually find any tire you want used in great shape for a fraction of their cost new. For your 400 Outlander, I recommend staying with a true 27" tire and going skinny/wide. Skinny/wide combo will outperform all skinny's everywhere except deep water.  You can get away with running 28's if you stay skinny.  But, you will likely have to do some other mods to fit them.  
You stated that you ride about 70% swamps/mud and 10% hardpack. It sounds like you want a tire that performs well in serious mud, but that won't beat you to death or wear quickly on hard pack. Since my original review, your options have grown. These are my top 3 new and used recommendations for you.
USED:
1)  28x11/28x9 Mega Mayhems - Their smooth on hard pack and wear is good. They have the lug depth and tread spacing to perform well in serious mud. Go for 28" since they run 1" short. I think this is the best suited tire of what's available for what you're looking for. The traction will be a big improvement over your Swamplites or Mudlites while sacrificing a minimal amount of trail capability. 
2) 27x12/27x9.5 Outlaws - A little rough on the trails, but the ride isn't overly harsh. This setup may require spacers/aftermarket wheels to clear with the additional sidewall lug. With this setup, there are no compromises in the mud. They are still top dog at 27".
3) 28x9.5 Outlaws - Slightly tighter lug spacing than the 27" Outlaws makes them more trail friendly and improves wear. They still pull excellent in the mud and are relatively light at 33.8 lbs.
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1) 27x12 Vampire/28x10 EDL 
2) 27x12/27x10 Executioner
3) *tie 28x11/28x9 Zilla 
           27x11/27x9 Silverback X-Lite

~ Cale Sanders  
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CATVOS 3" Lift w/+2" F&R stretch, 31x9.5 Outlaws, MSA Beadlocks, 5" cage chop, flush steel roof, 2" bed lift, half windshield, Wetsounds 10 Sound bar, CRS LED Snorkels, LED underglow, 30" Rigid l
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/02/05 13:15:22 (permalink)
Cale i really appreciate you going the extra mile in response to my earlier post. the vampire tire combination looks appealing but i'm wondering since i ride in bottomless swamps and bottomless sand creek bottoms would the vampires just be digging and framing me out? or do they have a similar paddle motion like an outlaw? If so i think they would be right for me but if not is the outlaw and backs the only tire that paddles and doesn't dig?
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/02/05 14:00:24 (permalink)
No thanks necessary. I don't mind when I have the time. The Vampire combo will not dig and high center you any faster than the Sliverbacks or Outlaws. They are a true, pure mud tire and will perform neck and neck with the Outlaws & Silverbacks. The 27x12's work best with 4-5 psi to keep the profile relatively flat. The 28x10's work best with 8-10 psi to aid in flotation. 
To be honest, they all 3 are terrible in sand. They are designed to perform in the mud, which means they must dig and chew to be effective. That's what provides the forward traction. There is a reason why mud tires are designed different than sand (paddle) tires. The majority of the "dig vs paddle" theory's usually exaggerated or someone's misinterpretation of what actually occurred.   
post edited by CRSBear400 - 2014/02/05 14:02:10

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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/02/05 14:26:04 (permalink)
well that's all i needed to hear ill be ordering some vamps next week thanks for all the help!
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/04/21 19:20:44 (permalink)
Guys I need some help with how big a mud tire I can run on my brute force 650 SRA. I've got a 2" HL lift kit and the 27" mega mayhems fit with plenty of clearance. I want to run 29.5 outlaws. Will they clear? Will I need lift springs too? I will purchase aluminum wheels with the tires. Thanks for any help!
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/04/25 07:38:35 (permalink)
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Guys I need some help with how big a mud tire I can run on my brute force 650 SRA. I've got a 2" HL lift kit and the 27" mega mayhems fit with plenty of clearance. I want to run 29.5 outlaws. Will they clear? Will I need lift springs too? I will purchase aluminum wheels with the tires. Thanks for any help!

Not 100% sure, but you may have to modify your floorboards (front) to clear 29.5's. I had to on my Prairie 700, which uses the same chassis. But, the plastic is different on the sra Brute. I also had lift springs.

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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/04/25 14:11:34 (permalink)
I've got lift springs coming but they are on back order so Idk when I will get them. I'm trying to get on the waiting list for the outlaws. Idk if I'm going with original outlaws or a outlaw 2's?
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/05/15 23:27:08 (permalink)
Cale  really enjoyed your write up and all the comments.
Anybody have recommendations for a 2004 Yamaha Kodiak 400 4x4?  Picked it up cheap but it needs new tires.  Primarily use for muddin (thick and deep), loose trails and some sugar sand all in Florida.  Primary machine is a 550 Grizzly with zillas which are good all around but looking for a little more mud oriented for the Kodiak without tearing it up all the time.  Thank you everyone!!
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/05/27 10:47:52 (permalink)
Cale  really enjoyed your write up and all the comments.
Anybody have recommendations for a 2004 Yamaha Kodiak 400 4x4?  Picked it up cheap but it needs new tires.  Primarily use for muddin (thick and deep), loose trails and some sugar sand all in Florida.  Primary machine is a 550 Grizzly with zillas which are good all around but looking for a little more mud oriented for the Kodiak without tearing it up all the time.  Thank you everyone!!
 
Is anyone out there?????
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/07/23 09:50:09 (permalink)
Diamondgator, if you like your Zillas but want more traction without putting excessive strain on the drivetrain, I'd look at the Mega Mayhem. Virtually the same lug pattern as the Zilla, but with increased lug depth which = increased forward bite. They don't have the huge side lugs of a pure mud tire, so there's less driveline stress, They're relatively light and the lug pattern is not so aggressive that you sacrifice trail manners or versatility.

~ Cale Sanders  
'11 RZR 900XP LE White Lightning
HL 5" lift, 28" OL2's & MSA Crushers, EMP 2" receiver hitch, EMP half windshield, OSS loaded roof, GORILLA/DHT AXLES, LTE full system, Dobeck Gen III, 5" cage chop, Polaris OEM doors, CRS snorkels
SOLD!!!
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/08/05 13:28:12 (permalink)
Thank you Cale.  Do you have any experience with the Kenda Executioners?  Will they be too hard on the machine?
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/08/06 14:15:46 (permalink)
Yes. Had a set of 27's (measured 26") on a brute force. They are basically like a Mudlite XL with a deeper lug. They have an excellent rim guard and are tough. They don't clean out or perform in mud as good as the Mega Mayhem or Zilla. But they're a good all around tire for the price.

~ Cale Sanders  
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HL 5" lift, 28" OL2's & MSA Crushers, EMP 2" receiver hitch, EMP half windshield, OSS loaded roof, GORILLA/DHT AXLES, LTE full system, Dobeck Gen III, 5" cage chop, Polaris OEM doors, CRS snorkels
SOLD!!!
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/08/19 09:30:17 (permalink)
I just put the new 27" Mega Mayhems on with new ITP ss210 wheels.  Looks great and ride is still good.  Machine for being a 400 pulls well.  In the water and mud there has been no need for 4 wheel drive.  I haven't had it in deep mud yet but will report after.  One thing I've noticed is that in reverse the tires are pretty aggressive and dig in if you hop on the throttle.  Thank you for the recommendation my kid loves the look!
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/10/03 09:41:52 (permalink)
I have a set of 27 inch Black Mambas.
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/10/18 15:13:30 (permalink)
Great thread here.  I would appreciate any suggestions on my '06 Gizzly 660.  Live in Alberta and ride mud, skag, trail, some hardpack, and snow and ice.  Currently running mudlites 26x12x12 rear and 26x10x12 front but they're wore out.
 
I want to go bigger, thinking either 27" or 28"?
 
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2014/10/18 19:43:12 (permalink)
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2015/02/04 10:16:11 (permalink)
iv literally been researchin tires to death for spring and thought id join this form to get sum insite and this is the first thread I read.coinsidence.?awesome write up explaining tread depth and angle and how they perform in diff terrain..and the reason iv joined also was to get some insite mainly on HL OL RADIALS,and if anyone has run a 27 or 28x9.5 all around..AWSOME FORM.glad I joined
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2015/02/04 10:44:39 (permalink)
Nate, please call me here at High Lifter. You can reach me at (800) 699-0947, ext. 6038. I will be glad to answer all your tire questions and and give you good advice. If my line is busy, leave a message and I will call you back ASAP. Thanks !!!

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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2015/02/04 16:25:58 (permalink)
Thnx dan,, iv read alot of your post even befor I joined and u r one of the main reasons im considering ROL, if I could get your input that be great,I like how u just tell the good and bad of a tire weathher its an highlifter tire or not,, and in doing that iv fornd that the radial law is right up my ally
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2015/02/04 16:36:16 (permalink)
Thanks for your kind words. The truth is always best even if for some reason it costs us a sale. If you need to still call me, please do.

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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2015/02/04 17:01:30 (permalink)
Before I call u just wondering wat u think of a ROL 27X9.5 SKINNY set up on a 2013 brute 750, im trying to save weight by goin 27 and skinny but still get the all round performance of a ROL, have u or do u know of anybody doin this,, id luve to see pics,,, and is it worth going 27 and only getting 1 inch tread deapth or going 28x9.5 all around and deal with the weightt and get 1.25 tread deapth
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Re:MUD TIRE COMPARISON!! 2015/03/29 21:50:47 (permalink)
Great write up!
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