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2017/03/14 20:36:08 (permalink)

I need some advise

I got a 2014 Honda foreman 500. I'm running 28" terminators and the bike doesn't pull them like I want it to, Iv wanted to do gear reduction but that's a little higher then I want to spend right now and Iv been told a clutch kit would help me. Any advice on which way would be best or anything else I can do to help spin them better????
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    00_NUTT
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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/14 22:09:26 (permalink)
    I think the clutch kit is a good fix for short term but I would definitely do I gear reduction when you have the funds. There are other things like a programmer and pipe but by the time you pay for that it's just as expensive as a gr. Gear reduction is best bang for the buck.
    post edited by 00_NUTT - 2017/03/14 22:11:32

    00_NUTT
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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/15 07:22:45 (permalink)
    Clutch kit will help get them going but once they are going it's all the same. They are worth the little bit of money they cost but the GR is gonna be the best solution for you

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    Colton S
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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/15 07:56:48 (permalink)
    How much reduction do I need and where's the best place to get it?
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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/15 08:02:19 (permalink)
    Our High Lifter Outlaw Clutch Kit, part # HLCKH500FM-1 at $79.95 will help you. It comes with a new gasket kit and springs.

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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/15 08:27:41 (permalink)
    How much of a difference will I be able to tell?
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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/15 09:25:48 (permalink)
    I hate clutch kits.  All they do is rev the motor up more before the clutches engage.  You don't gain any pulling power once you're going, it just helps get you rolling by having the RPM's up more before the wheels start moving.
     
    Save your money, get a GR.  You're wasting money on a clutch kit.
     
    I tried one, hated it, took it back off.  That's my .02.
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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/15 11:50:52 (permalink)
    FYI, we sell 100's and 100's of correctly designed clutch kits ever year after year. You are not waiting your money. Major companies like EPI are multi-million dollar companies selling clutch kits as their main products. Understand gears do more per dollar spent, but bunches of riders have both products installed on their units.

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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/15 13:28:03 (permalink)
    I think at the end of the day what exactly is he looking to accomplish. Does he want to full out sling those tires or is he having a problem getting them started from a dead stop in a bad hole?

    00_NUTT
    1997 Honda 300 4x4
    Head Ported and Polished
    317 Kit
    Big Red Cam
    Clutch Kit
    SuperTrapp IDS2 Exhaust
    K&N Filter
    Carb Kit
    32" Interco Interforce II's
    16" MSA M30 Trottles
    Snorkled 
    54% gear reduction
    Honda 350 rear axle assm.

    6" BPC CUSTOM LIFT WITH 8" STRETCH AND 3" BODY LIFT OLD 300 LOOKING GOOD AS EVER THANKS TO WHITNEY!!!!!

    SON'S BIKE
    1998 Honda 300 2x4
    6" BPC LIft with some sick a-arms
    420 spindles and disk brakes
    29.5" OL2'S
    14" MSA M26 Vibes
     
    Upcoming
    4x4 Frame and Motor that's here now just got to get to work on the swap over!!!
    54% Gear Reduction
     
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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/15 13:50:57 (permalink)
    BUSHHOG
    FYI, we sell 100's and 100's of correctly designed clutch kits ever year after year. You are not waiting your money. Major companies like EPI are multi-million dollar companies selling clutch kits as their main products. Understand gears do more per dollar spent, but bunches of riders have both products installed on their units.


    I understand that there is a market for them. There is also a market for cold air intakes for Honda Civics.

    Just because a lot of people are stupid enough to buy something doesn't make buying that item a good idea.

    A clutch kit along with a bunch of other mods together on a pit bike makes sense.

    A clutch kit simply to run bigger tires is stupid and will in the long run put undue wear on other components without fixing the problem.

    I see the same thing in the Jeep community. "I can't afford to regear so I'll get this chrome open filament air filter that says I'll get 5 more HP."

    I say that as the guy who bought all that crap, before finally admitting it didn't solve the issue.

    Gears are what OP needs. Anything else will, in the long run, be wasted money.
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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/15 13:53:06 (permalink)
    Well said jeepwm69!!!!!

    00_NUTT
    1997 Honda 300 4x4
    Head Ported and Polished
    317 Kit
    Big Red Cam
    Clutch Kit
    SuperTrapp IDS2 Exhaust
    K&N Filter
    Carb Kit
    32" Interco Interforce II's
    16" MSA M30 Trottles
    Snorkled 
    54% gear reduction
    Honda 350 rear axle assm.

    6" BPC CUSTOM LIFT WITH 8" STRETCH AND 3" BODY LIFT OLD 300 LOOKING GOOD AS EVER THANKS TO WHITNEY!!!!!

    SON'S BIKE
    1998 Honda 300 2x4
    6" BPC LIft with some sick a-arms
    420 spindles and disk brakes
    29.5" OL2'S
    14" MSA M26 Vibes
     
    Upcoming
    4x4 Frame and Motor that's here now just got to get to work on the swap over!!!
    54% Gear Reduction
     
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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/15 14:53:42 (permalink)
    Clutch kits turn big, oversize, heavy, aggressive lug mud tires from a dead stop or barely rolling in deep mud far better than stock clutching period. That is a fact !!! That is what they are made to do. They help you get started, nothing more. A thinking person should agree it's worth $79.95 if that solves the problem. Now, if he does need more, then he can buy a gear when he can. So it's not like a chrome open air filter or other stupid stuff. Our company is not known for selling stuff that is useless.

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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/15 15:25:43 (permalink)
    They will get big tires started by revving the motor up more than the designers of the machine intended.  I can spin my Jeep tires in gumbo by revving the motor way up and dropping the clutch too, but it's not good for the Jeep.  The proper way to set up a vehicle is to have proper gearing
     
    It is exactly like the thousands of gimmicky items that all off road shops try to sell under the illusion that it will somehow make a machine more capable without spending money and doing the modification the proper way.
     
    A clutch kit is a Band-Aid "fix" if all someone wants to do is run bigger tires.
     
    I did not say and do not think that clutch kits are always useless.  For someone who has a pit bike that isn't normally driven on the trails, they make perfect sense. 
     
    For someone who just wants to run oversized tires the way 90% of us ride (trails, mud. work), a clutch kit with no other mods is a horrible idea.
     
    I wish I had researched them better before I put one on my bike.  On hills with an inexperienced rider a clutch kit is downright dangerous. 
     
    They have their place...on pit bikes. 
     
    OP just said he wants to pull bigger tires.  The proper way to do that for all around use is gears.  There is no other RIGHT way to pull bigger tires other than gears.  That is a fact that spans across all vehicles.
     
    To OP, there's a CHEAP way to try to get the results you want (which you won't be happy with, and will end up redoing to get the results you want) and there's the RIGHT way to get the results you want. 
     
    Buy once, cry once.
     
     
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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/15 16:39:58 (permalink)
    Yes, proper gearing is best. I believe anyone would agree with that statement. But a ATV is not a jeep and on a Honda 500 our clutch kit works really well without any transmission issues. Over 20 years we have sold 1000's for Honda's with many, many happy customers. Again, that is a FACT !!!

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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/15 17:08:13 (permalink)
    Possibly, but the fact that you attempted to sell the original poster a clutch kit without asking his intended use for his Foreman shows that you were more interested in making a sale that you are in recommending the proper modification for his intended use.

    I, on the other hand, I have no vested interest in him doing a gear reduction versus a clutch kit.

    Highlifter sells a lot of good stuff. I would strongly recommend that the original poster save his money and buy gear reduction from Highlifter, but I will strongly advise against doing a simple clutch kit as a stand alone mod on anything but a pit bike.
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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/16 12:37:57 (permalink)
    Sorry Jeepwm69, I completely disagree with you. I recommended a clutch kit because I know from 20+ years of being here at High Lifter as the senior sales manager, a clutch kit will help him turn his tires regardless of the application which has to be some sort of a soft terrain problem. On hard ground the 500 should get him moving OK. Plus you obviously do not know much about me because I never just try to sell something unless I know it will help the buyer. I am a truth teller based on experience as well as facts and that is why I also said a gear is better. Since we do not sell gears, me saying a gear is better should let you know your words about me are wrong. Finally when I talked to him, I would have made 100% certain a clutch kit would help him better than standard OEM clutching with his problem. If not, I would not have taken his order.
     
     

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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/16 14:38:24 (permalink)
    Well we can agree to disagree.
     
    I don't know much about you, was just relaying my personal experience with a clutch kit as a stand alone mod.  You say clutch kits are great.  That's your opinion.  I say they suck.  That's my opinion.  You sell clutch kits.  That's a fact.  I don't sell anything.  That's a fact. 
     
    I've run a clutch kit, and after running it, was so dissatisfied that I removed it.  That's a fact.  I've installed and run gear reductions and that is the only way to do what the OP wants to do IF he wants to do it right.  That's my opinion.
     
    I'm not one to talk up something I've tried as a good thing just so I don't look like a fool for buying it. 
     
    I trail ride a lot, hunt on my rigs, and play in the mud some.  The clutch kit behavior was only a benefit in the mud.  It was detrimental to farm work and especially horrible riding in hills. 
     
    Different strokes for different folks and all.  Budget mods are "good enough" for a lot of people.  Most people don't hang onto stuff for a long time so 1/2 way doing it works for the short amount of time they own a rig.  I buy my stuff to keep, and I want it to be right.  I'm going on 25 years with my first Jeep.  I've done a lot of crap/budget mods to it that I later went back and removed.  On my Hondas the only mod I've done that I disliked enough to undo is the clutch kit.
     
    If you do it right the first time instead of slapping a band aid on it you don't have to go back in and spend more money doing it the way you should have done it in the first place.
     
    As I said above, buy once, cry once.  
     
    OP asked for advice.  You gave your opinion, I gave mine.
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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/16 15:00:37 (permalink)
    Well said!!! Everyone has opinions and I agree with you Jeepwm. Clutch kits don't fix power problems. Do it right the first time and you won't regret it later.

    00_NUTT
    1997 Honda 300 4x4
    Head Ported and Polished
    317 Kit
    Big Red Cam
    Clutch Kit
    SuperTrapp IDS2 Exhaust
    K&N Filter
    Carb Kit
    32" Interco Interforce II's
    16" MSA M30 Trottles
    Snorkled 
    54% gear reduction
    Honda 350 rear axle assm.

    6" BPC CUSTOM LIFT WITH 8" STRETCH AND 3" BODY LIFT OLD 300 LOOKING GOOD AS EVER THANKS TO WHITNEY!!!!!

    SON'S BIKE
    1998 Honda 300 2x4
    6" BPC LIft with some sick a-arms
    420 spindles and disk brakes
    29.5" OL2'S
    14" MSA M26 Vibes
     
    Upcoming
    4x4 Frame and Motor that's here now just got to get to work on the swap over!!!
    54% Gear Reduction
     
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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/16 19:15:49 (permalink)
    Head on down to the Payday loan place, getcha some money and do both!!

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    Re: I need some advise 2017/03/17 09:38:12 (permalink)
    Bushhog, I'm not familiar with clutch kits but I know some friends who are talking about putting larger tires on and using lift kits and clutchkits on their Yamaha Wolverine side x sides. Why is there an elevation listed on the clutch kits? 3000 ft? I know that we ride up to 12000 ft elevation in Colorado and Utah and was wondering what is going to happen to their rides.
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