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2013/07/08 08:50:45 (permalink)

High RPMs??

So I picked up this 08 rzr 800 the other day and started to ride it for the first time last night. But I have a problem, the bike won't even move until it reaches around 2800rpms and then its screaming at 5000rpms by the time it reaches 35mph. It's around 3800 at 25mph then 4300 by 32mph. I'm not sure what's going on! I put a new belt on it thinking that it was thebt, but its still doing it. It has stock clutching. And no other engine mods other than a UNi air filter. Anybody got any thoughts??

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/08 09:00:23 (permalink)
    I thought you have a whole post about your Rzr already?

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/08 09:17:26 (permalink)
    Got too cramped with other stuff so I made one specifically about this problem..

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/08 18:31:23 (permalink)
    A stock rzr should start to move at 1500 rpm and with a epi mudder clutch kit it will start to move at 1800

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/08 18:42:52 (permalink)
    Pull the cover and make sure the sheaves are moving correctly **** you give it gas

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/08 21:19:12 (permalink)
    I found it out. It was starving for gas. It was sputtering so I took e the fuel pump out and sure enough it was running bad because of sand in tank. Then I took the gas tank vent out and blew in one end and sand shot out of the ore end so it was clogged. Runs fine now...

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/08 21:26:58 (permalink)
    I bet you feel great worrying about it so much and being confused and finding out it was something so simple

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/09 16:06:07 (permalink)
    I would drain and clean the tank and try to figure out how sand got in there.  You may have a leak.

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/09 21:08:03 (permalink)
    Ok so sand wasn't the problem...It seems my primary isn't squeezing the belt. So it's not engaging until like 2500 rpms....

    So looks like I'm going to either
    A) get out with a can of carb cleaner
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    B) en up paying out the **** for a new clutch...

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/09 21:35:39 (permalink)
    Take the primary off and clean it man, may not be easier but it's way way cheaper. If that don't work then you need a new primary

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/10 08:41:08 (permalink)
    Sounds like the weights are missing or not working properly, or possibly the springs are messed up... check the secondary for debris lodged in the spring, the primary should be easy to inspect

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/10 18:55:37 (permalink)
    well, theres no debris anywhere. sprayed both with air and brake cleaner, nothing changed. primary only seems to be engaging about an inch at WOT in high?

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/10 19:08:06 (permalink)
    Pull the primary off and see if all the weights are their.

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/10 19:12:30 (permalink)
    they are. I can see all of them.

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/10 19:25:53 (permalink)
    Ok pull the primary OFF and DISASSEMBLE IT. Looking at it and spraying air on it wont do anything.

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/10 19:30:48 (permalink)
    can i get it off without a special tool? ive been told you got to have some tool? thats why i didnt do it before...

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/10 19:51:54 (permalink)
    You have to have a clutch puller. You can order them from epi.

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/10 20:01:01 (permalink)
    i can prolly find a buddy with one. Really wasnt hoping itd be the clutch, but it looks that way...

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/10 20:46:36 (permalink)
    Its probably just dirty, lotta build up can be on the weights or they could be filled with crud not letting them sling out at all. If you still got the cover off spray some WD-40 on the nuts and bolts that holds the weights on.

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/10 20:55:09 (permalink)
    A 3/4 fine thread bolt with about a 2.5" piece of bar behind it will pull the clutch... If there was eer a belt blown up in there it probly has pieces under the sheaves... And check that te secondary spring is tight and the the secondary is hard to separate... We had helix buttons wear out and and the secondary spun which let pressure off the spring

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/10 20:58:58 (permalink)
    you need another can am.

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/10 22:02:51 (permalink)
    If I was you I would be digging alot deeper into it. If you found sand in the tank and vent lines that bike probably been sunk or flipped. I would be checking the intake to see if you could find any residue that would indicate it got into the motor and change your fluids in the motor and trans to see what they look like. I went through the same issue when I traded my outty for my rzr. I started to think my rzr had been sunk but I come to the conclusion that the lid to the air box had just been leaking.

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/11 06:09:43 (permalink)
    Yup when I traded my big cat for the rzr, I took an entire month and went completely through everything. All snorkels, vent lines, every waterproofing thing I could think of, checked the clutches, fuel, plugs... Just one them thangs

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/11 06:36:21 (permalink)
    Alright I had a buddy come over and look at it. he works full time at a dealer and deals with this crap everyday. He said the clutches are operating perfectly normal, no we looked into a fuel issue because it was sputtering. We took the fuel pump out and noticed that the sending unit was cracked and somebody tried to JB weld it back together. it is plastic, and it is exposed to gas, so in other words it didnt hold. the crack or gash should i say, because it is opened up, is about 3/4" long. We believe that it is just praying all the fuel back into the tank. We noticed that whenever you turn the key on you can here like a spraying sound, so we concluded that it wasnt getting fuel. I also took a flashlight and looked in the tank really good like yall said to. there is definitely sand in it. I know why the sand is in there, whoever ran the vents for this thing put them right above the belt box. This bike was ridin in sand dunes, so it just slowly built up over time. it has not been sunk, oil looks good, and all other fluids look good. My buddy has a good fuel pump hes gonna let me have so we hope thats it. We are positive the clutches are good though. 

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/11 08:25:01 (permalink)
    well it should be pretty easy to know if it's a fuel issue.  If you are getting rpms and it's not engaging then something is wrong with your clutch... it's that simple. 

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/11 08:51:52 (permalink)
    If you are not engaging until 2500 RPM's, then no matter how bad the engine runs, no matter how terrible the fuel pump is whether you are getting twice the fuel pressure or half the fuel pressure, if the motor is spinning 2400 RPM's and you are not engaging, the CVT system is at fault. Is it possible that the person you purchased the unit from had replaced the primary with one they purchased used and they were told it was "stock"?

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/11 10:58:09 (permalink)
    Correct!^

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/11 12:11:23 (permalink)
    I guess I shouldn't have used the word engage. It is engaging perfectly fine. It just doesn't feel like it has any power and its sputtering on take off. The rpms are there, it just feels like its limping aroun i guess i should say. Like there's something missing. It's hard to explain what it's doing to be honest...

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/11 12:36:52 (permalink)
    Did you even test drive it before you traded or did you just think OMG a RZR!!!

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    Re:High RPMs?? 2013/07/11 12:55:47 (permalink)
    Yes I test drove it. But the tires were scrubbing really bad, so we just thought it was catching. On top of that it is our first sxs, so we had no idea what to look for coming from atvs power wise. We just thought maybe that's how a rzr was supposed to be until we got it back...

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