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honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
2009/09/23 14:01:33
i would like to see some pics of 28sbacks on a 420 rancher
big beeza
Mud Monster
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 14:03:45
my buddy had some on his black rancher with ss212 but now he went to 29.5s ill try and find some pics for ya
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 14:11:09
okay thanks
bigjoe88420
Outlaw
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 14:13:38
this thread is worthless with out your 420 first
Bump530
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 14:15:27
u have 27s now.  it aint gonna look much diff than urs does now. 
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 14:33:44
i know but i gust want to see and see if they fit and dont rub stop bashing
Bump530
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 14:46:57
if they rub, a lil trimmin will take care of it
bigred2004
Mud Pro
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 16:24:47
Seriously dude... thats why searching is your friend. Theres not much but if you're that desperate for "pictures" then here are a couple links look about halfway down each page both guys are runnin 28s but then again they are SRA bikes. There is no possible way your bike is going to turn the 28s unless you can do the double gear reduction. The ATs are nice bikes but the SRA 420s have alot more potential.

http://forum.highlifter.com/tm.aspx?m=2783939&high=420+rancher+backs
http://forum.highlifter.com/tm.aspx?Do-yall-think-I-need-a-clutch-kit&m=2541737&high=420+rancher+backs&mpage=1
 
 
Also the newer ATs with IRS have bigger floorboards I believe or it may be just that the rear tires are closer. Because There has been a couple guys run 30s on a 420 with a gear reduction. HondaGuy on here runs 31s with NO reduction yet I pretty sure. Fitting them isnt your biggest Issue there's ways around that, you need to find out how to get the gears THEN have to worry about power.
post edited by bigred2004 - 2009/09/23 16:26:50
shaeleblanc
Mud Pro
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 16:31:31
i think he is putting the sra reduction in the bike right now.... so then he should sling the 28s correct? i kinda like these 420at bike i want to go look at them though
bigred2004
Mud Pro
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 17:56:07
Yes he is putting the SRA reduction which means its going to struggle like every OTHER SRA 420 with 28s. THEN he would need the SRA LOW gear reduction to get the actual low ratio to "sling" the 28s. Plus silver backs are heavy as H3!!
HondaGuy
Respected Member
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 18:02:32
I think for the most part he will do fine with the 28s and the SRA reduction, but he will find a hole every now and again that will stop his tires in their tracks.
bigjoe88420
Outlaw
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 18:07:23
i agree but he is only going to get about a half inch mor elceaernece than the 27s i would stay they same and put a snorkel on it and give her h3ll
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 19:29:26
okay well i did not find any when i serched and a 420 sra can sling 28s fine and the first like the guy has 30 not 28s and i have a snorkl made just have not installed it yet and i wont  until the warrenty runs out
bigjoe88420
Outlaw
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 19:41:48
you can run it just take it off when you have to take it to the shop
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 19:44:56
i know but i dont want to have to take it one and off
fatcat 650
Mud Pro
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 19:46:51
A sra 420 with stock gearing will turn 28's but not sling them in all situations.  My opinion  get the double gear reduction and then you can get any tire you want and spin them decent in every situation.
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 19:51:27
yea money for 50 bucks i will be 2 % lower than a sra
fatcat 650
Mud Pro
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 20:06:03
you pay to play .The overal reduction would be alot more than 2% lower than a stock sra 420.
post edited by fatcat 650 - 2009/09/23 20:09:12
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 20:19:35
yea it would be 15 % lower and for like 1000 installed
littlebigrancher
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 21:10:57
well bigred, you need to come ride with me if you think a 420 struggles with 28's. mine has no problem.
 
 
bigred2004

Yes he is putting the SRA reduction which means its going to struggle like every OTHER SRA 420 with 28s. THEN he would need the SRA LOW gear reduction to get the actual low ratio to "sling" the 28s. Plus silver backs are heavy as H3!!


Hudge
Mud Master
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/23 21:22:42
littlebigrancher

well bigred, you need to come ride with me if you think a 420 struggles with 28's. mine has no problem.
 
 
bigred2004

Yes he is putting the SRA reduction which means its going to struggle like every OTHER SRA 420 with 28s. THEN he would need the SRA LOW gear reduction to get the actual low ratio to "sling" the 28s. Plus silver backs are heavy as H3!!



bigred is talking bout backs bubba 28 backs are heavier than 29.5 laws
he keeps pushing me to get the 29.5 laws but i cant afford the gr.......yet dun dun don
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/24 15:09:53
yes but to people iride wit got sra 420 one has 28 laws skinnys the other has 28 backs skinny they both spin the crap out off them
Straten
Mud Pro
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/24 16:09:54
i can spin my 28 laws pretty good i got skinnies up front and fats in back with epi's comp clutch kit.
i still find stuff that stops my tires so either yall dont have real PB/gumbo mud or they have a gear redux
Bump530
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/24 16:14:19
how do u build a snorkel when its not installed?  did u build it on the bike and then take it off?
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/24 17:14:05
yea but both of there bikes are skinnys ao thats easyer and they have pipe pcIII really weel tund and i built it and fit it to the bike i  just did not remove the stock snorkle cuz i dont want to void the warenty and i dont want to take it on and off i looks sick thow and has a mud stopper aka bath tub drain
littlebigrancher
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/24 17:15:24
bro its the wides you got on the back. i had the same exact setup as you about 4 months ago and had the same problems. once i threw the skinnies on back, it was a hole nother ball game. my brother with a bone stock 420 spins 28 skinnies in whatever too. i will never have wides on back again, the rob too much power.
 
 
 
Straten

i can spin my 28 laws pretty good i got skinnies up front and fats in back with epi's comp clutch kit.
i still find stuff that stops my tires so either yall dont have real PB/gumbo mud or they have a gear redux


honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/24 17:20:43
yea wit 28 skinnys  a 420 spins them good in any thing and since i will be 2% lower than a stock sra with irs it will be a beast
Hudge
Mud Master
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/24 17:52:25
just curious do you know what that 2% comes out to be cuz with a 14.5% reduction on stock tires for a rancher (25s) that 14.5% reduction lets you spin 28.65s the same as stock so how much do you really think that 2% is goin to help......not bashing just asking
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/24 18:06:53
no a rancher has 24s and the reduction is 15.5s
Hudge
Mud Master
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/24 18:16:55
honda maniac

no a rancher has 24s and the reduction is 15.5s


from a 24 to a 15.5 tire would be a 35% ruduction the only way you personally could get anywhere near a 35% reduction would be the sra gears extream's reduction and turner/highlifters gr
but that wasnt my question......my question was how much of a diff do you think tha 2% will do bub?
HondaGuy
Respected Member
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/24 18:18:19
The 2% he is talking about is, the AT Rancher's primary gears are actually a slightly lower gear ratio then the SRAs. So when you put the stock SRA gears in the secondary side of the AT with its lower geared primary side, presto chango they are slightly lower geared then a stock SRA. I don't think the math has really been worked out, but I was told it was roughly a 2% difference.
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/26 11:48:25
agreed and tou cant put turners extreams and the sra in at the same time and since mine is 18hight er than a sra and the turner gives a sra a 15% reduction 18 +15 =33% for an at only 15 for a sra
ydopen
Super Swamper
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/26 14:00:07
Ahhh look what I found= 28 backs, 2in lift, 1.5 wheel spacers.

honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/26 15:07:17
o wow great pic thats perfict can i see one of it at a side angle
fatcat 650
Mud Pro
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/26 15:11:25
HondaGuy

The 2% he is talking about is, the AT Rancher's primary gears are actually a slightly lower gear ratio then the SRAs. So when you put the stock SRA gears in the secondary side of the AT with its lower geared primary side, presto chango they are slightly lower geared then a stock SRA. I don't think the math has really been worked out, but I was told it was roughly a 2% difference.


now I see where the 2% comes in
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/26 15:25:12
yea and it will help mre than a pipe and pc!!!
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/26 18:21:11
bump
ydopen
Super Swamper
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/27 09:02:02
honda maniac

o wow great pic thats perfict can i see one of it at a side angle


Wish i could help u rancher brother. I found this pic around page 20 in the 420 roll call thread and its the only one he had. Looks to me he has the bottom of the rear fenders cut just a little like mine and thats only because of the spacers
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/27 10:11:17
see i have sra ofsets
ydopen
Super Swamper
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/27 14:05:24
you should be fine. it wont be but 1/2 inch closer to the fender than it is now
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/27 14:14:08
yea i guss so
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/28 21:59:07
bumb
justinjc1
Puddle Jumper
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/28 22:50:17

  friends 420 with 30 silverbacks
sinker
Trail Rider
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 11:03:33
justinjc1 got any side pics?
shaeleblanc
Mud Pro
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 11:52:15
so with the AT 420 if you would be putting an 15% reduction on the sra bike it would be a total of 33% reduction on a 420 AT...... all i can say is wow
HondaGuy
Respected Member
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 11:56:37
shaeleblanc

so with the AT 420 if you would be putting an 15% reduction on the sra bike it would be a total of 33% reduction on a 420 AT...... all i can say is wow


Yes, but a SRA with both reductions in would be some 12-13% lower then that. The SRAs have more tire turning potential, but with the IRS you won't need to go as big to get the clearance.
shaeleblanc
Mud Pro
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 11:59:09
how much lower would the AT be with both reductions or is it not possible?
Jared94chevy
Mud Monster
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 12:47:12
honda maniac

i would like to see some pics of 28sbacks on a 420 rancher


what happened to you wantong 30's a feew months back?????
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 13:42:20
it is not possible for both cus the ats dual cluch and i did want 30s but i decided i did not want to have to get new rims and tires this way i only need tires and i did not want to spend 100 on a gr instaled
bigred2004
Mud Pro
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 14:03:16
honda maniac

yea and it will help mre than a pipe and pc!!!


That right there has to be ANOTHER hilarious quote from you. Thats like saying my K&N on my grizzly adds 10hp.... and Id love to come ride with some of you guys so you can see that my bike even struggles with silverbacks. Im not talkin crap I cant back up. Im just sayin the gearing and power the 420s have just arent enough to efficiently turn 28s. Not without reductions and power adders. There will always be a mud hole that will stop your tire. Yes you can spin them in some "slop" but get in the thick red PB clay somewhere and you'll probably be burnin clutches.
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 14:40:08
no a 420 does fine wit 28s i ride pb gumbo so i should know
Swampy2Dope
Mud Pro
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 14:44:37
Who cares?
Hudge
Mud Master
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 15:54:08
honda maniac

no a 420 does fine wit 28s i ride pb gumbo so i should know


Re:A video from yesterday! - Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:15 PM ( #39 )


http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz321/420maniac/?action=view&current=Picture014.flv  this a video ov today in gumbo when i stop i had it in drive ensted of esp then i switched and it spins them fine

(green) 09 honda rancher 420at  (irs)
 
27x10x12 silver backs all the way around
monted on  black itp ss 212 12in rims
aluminum products a arm gurds
uni air filter 

coming soon 
sra gear reduction (instaling) 

wish list 
28x10in  silverbakes   
snorkle (made not instaled)
 
 
YOU KNOW ALL!!!

bigred2004
Mud Pro
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 16:08:56
This thread gets a fail. Pointless because hes waiting until his "warranty" goes out before he "mods out" his little 420. It gets old when you say it'll spin 'em like crazy, and you ride in pb mud. The funny thing is that video you posted was actually more like the mud I have in my backyard... far from gumbo around here. You adding 28s to your STOCK AT will be like the kid with the big bear on 32s everybody was talking crap about. It just aint gonna happen. Yea it'll look pretty but you wont even be able to spin the tires fast enough to clean them out. Now everybody talks about turning big tires and yada yada yada, well look at hondaguy, he know his limits, he's done his research. He doesnt talk crap because he built his bike with a purpose. If somebody asks he will tell you HOW WELL his bike turns the 31s because they're all skinny and they're all light. 28" backs on wheels weight about as much as 31x9.5s on wheels. If that tells you anything. Its not all about the height but the weight too bud. 28" backs weight more than 29.5 laws. So people wonder why honda struggle with some 28s!!
justinjc1
Puddle Jumper
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 16:36:10
rancher 420 30 silverbacks
video of friends bike with 30 silverbacks didnt have any side shots sinker
post edited by justinjc1 - 2009/09/29 16:38:05
HondaGuy
Respected Member
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 16:55:56
justinjc1

rancher 420 30 silverbacks
video of friends bike with 30 silverbacks didnt have any side shots sinker


Holy cow man, he needs to learn some throttle control I was expecting half of the u-joint to hit the camera man when he neutral dropped it. And that isn't a very impressive demonstration of a 420s capabilities anyway, that was a water hole. Thats the kind of stuff my bike is setup for and it does great, bigred is right about me knowing my limits. Up here we don't have the straight up cement/pb mud that the Deep South does, so I can get away with a little more. Thats not saying I am not extremely happy and suprised at how well my bike does with the 31s, just saying you can't expect a highly geared 420cc bike to "sling" tires that have the ability to give some 7-800cc bikes issues at times.
Hudge
Mud Master
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 17:05:46
what was he doin under his seat?
HondaGuy
Respected Member
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 17:11:56
Looks like he has a starter relay issue, he was jumping the starter cable directly to the battery to make it crank. I have the same issue right now lol.
littlebigrancher
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 18:25:25
yes bigred you have a point to somne sort. we do have thick mud around here but it most likely isnt the tyoe mud you ride in. my bike with just pipe and filter spins 28 skinny laws very well. heres a video of me in the pit at timberlanes, i am the one with the tan rancher with black ice chest on back. never mind the camera guy, lol. and you can see how thick it is at the begining.
 
http://s862.photobucket.com/albums/ab188/87GMC_2009/Timberlanes%20Videos%208%2022%2009/?action=view&current=DSCF0144.flv
post edited by littlebigrancher - 2009/09/29 19:53:50
honda maniac
Outlaw Extremist
Re:28 s backs on a 420 rancher 2009/09/29 21:03:41
i never said my stock at and that holy was water yes it is ussaly good old mississ ippi /loisiana gunbo
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