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2017/07/07 22:11:54 (permalink)

2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues

New member here and I had just recently gotten an atv from my grandfather that had locked up on him. I rebuilt the crank and put a new piston with rings in it along with a new starter and solenoid. The atv will not crank over with the starter but it will run when I pull start it. Even with a battery charger it will not start and the solenoid will just click away nor will it even engage when I jump the solenoid with a screwdriver. I have no idea where to begin now since I had put the new solenoid and the new starter on the quad. Any suggestions or anything on where to start?
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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/07 22:18:19 (permalink)
    Probably a ground issue. Check your grounds. Should be one coming off motor that's probably dirty or the wire may be corroded.

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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/07 22:28:46 (permalink)
    That's the thing there is only one ground wire that is in the quad and I have cleaned it and still nothing I don't know if it's some safety sensor that has went bad or what. Could it be the neutral switch that could be going out that could throw it for a loop or the cdi box? I mean the atv has 21000 miles on it lol
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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/07 23:51:06 (permalink)
    What baffles me is when you short the solenoid. That's direct to the stater. It should spin. If it doesn't it means there's no ground to make the loop back. Starter could be bad. Check voltage at the starter and see what you get.

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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/08 08:32:48 (permalink)
    If I take the starter off I can manually get it to engage with a battery charger. So that would leave the ground if that is the case then it either must need a new a new ground or another wire going from the battery to the frame possibly? I mean I can do it to the old and the new starter plus with the new and old solenoid. Won't jump across and start it nor putting the jumper cables on the solenoid either
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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/08 08:56:05 (permalink)
    Yea I'd try a temp ground and see what happens. Did you check fuses? If you don't have a service manual you need one. Google for a PDF download and should be able to find a free one.

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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/08 09:16:29 (permalink)
    Yes I checked the fuses and all of them were fine. I had already downloaded a manual for my atv or else I wouldn't have know how to even have done half of the stuff to that motor 😂 But as far as I can tell everything is where it should be which sucks but here in a minute I'm going to try that alternative ground. Could a faulty battery cause this also even if a battery charger is hooked up to it?
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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/08 09:26:48 (permalink)
    Bad battery can cause you all kinds of grief. Good you got a manual cause that in itself is a huge help.

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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/08 10:11:05 (permalink)
    It really is but I have been putting it off until I check the stator and voltage regulator because I know one of those are bad
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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/08 10:48:23 (permalink)
    Ok I might have found my issue. The neutral relay might be the culprit of my issues.
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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/08 10:53:15 (permalink)
    Yep. There is away you can bypass it by making a couple of jumpers. Look at you manual real good and you should be able to figure it out. I did the something on my kids Kawasaki.

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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/16 19:12:49 (permalink)
    Sorry for time away I had a death in the family and lost track of the atv. Alright so after everything so far of me rednecking the neutral starter relay and it still won't work. Could me redoing the top end somehow have created too much compression for the starter to turn over or could it be the valves not be adjusted creating too much compression? I'm running out of ideas of what it could be lol
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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/16 19:39:54 (permalink)
    Man sorry to hear and hope all is as well as can be. Maybe but the valves would have to be out of time. Put a compression checker on it and pull the rope and see what it says. Should be around 140 psi.

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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/23 00:01:52 (permalink)
    Alright so I finally got some time to work on my atv so I put my new battery back in it and it fired right up with the electric start. Funny stuff maybe I wasn't holdin my mouth right to begin with. But got
    It running right then what do I know it starts to spit and sputter like crazy when I gave it gas. It would clear up for a few min then go back to doing it again. What in my carb might cause it to do that?
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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/23 00:01:52 (permalink)
    Alright so I finally got some time to work on my atv so I put my new battery back in it and it fired right up with the electric start. Funny stuff maybe I wasn't holdin my mouth right to begin with. But got
    It running right then what do I know it starts to spit and sputter like crazy when I gave it gas. It would clear up for a few min then go back to doing it again. What in my carb might cause it to do that?
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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/23 00:01:52 (permalink)
    Alright so I finally got some time to work on my atv so I put my new battery back in it and it fired right up with the electric start. Funny stuff maybe I wasn't holdin my mouth right to begin with. But got
    It running right then what do I know it starts to spit and sputter like crazy when I gave it gas. It would clear up for a few min then go back to doing it again. What in my carb might cause it to do that?
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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/23 00:01:52 (permalink)
    Alright so I finally got some time to work on my atv so I put my new battery back in it and it fired right up with the electric start. Funny stuff maybe I wasn't holdin my mouth right to begin with. But got
    It running right then what do I know it starts to spit and sputter like crazy when I gave it gas. It would clear up for a few min then go back to doing it again. What in my carb might cause it to do that?
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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/23 06:50:46 (permalink)
    Carb needs to be cleaned. Also did you get any water in the fuel? Glad you got it going.

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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/23 12:13:58 (permalink)
    Yea me too but it had sit for a while for about 6 months or so and so it is probably the gas is old and I just mixed in some new gas with it just to see if that might help. Probably didn't help that my grandfather had never changed the air filter let alone never even checked it because it was decenegrated beyond use. It turned to dust when I touched it so my thought it might be clogged up like the main jet? Plus the bad gas? I mean it will sit and idle all day and just not miss a beat then you give it gas and she sputters. I can put my hand over the air box intake and it will clear up? That part just stumps me.
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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/23 12:23:15 (permalink)
    It kinda seems to me like it don't have enough vacuum to suck the right amount of fuel into the engine. I think it's odd way to look at it but I don't know really what's going on I'm not good with carbs lol
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    Re: 2003 suzuki Vinson 500 solenoid issues 2017/07/23 13:29:46 (permalink)
    Carb needs to be cleaned. Gas dumped. Carbs are simple. Google a break down of yours. Pull the bowl off. Take off main and pilot jet. Clean with carb spray. Clean where they were screwed in. Should see spray come into the throat of the carb. They are easy easy just take your time and pay attention.

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    420 spindles and disk brakes
    29.5" OL2'S
    14" MSA M26 Vibes
     
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    4x4 Frame and Motor that's here now just got to get to work on the swap over!!!
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