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2012/04/20 12:11:53 (permalink)

1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O.

I know the outty will out run the popo, but Wat about the 4wd setup which is better in the mud? Which one has the better suspension for the deep mud and the trails? Wat about the technical things the all around good package?
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/20 13:17:13 (permalink)
    i believe the can am has the all around best package, but for all out mud riding the polaris ground clearance will kill the can am.

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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/20 14:16:34 (permalink)
    I won't be in the mud all the time I'm wanting to go do some trail riding in the mountains too. I am planning on gettin one here pretty soon and I love the can am. I like the looks, the hp, and the ride but with polaris coming out with the 77hp sportsman I can compromise a few horses if the bike was better all around. The price tag looks better on the popo, but like they say you get Wat you pay for.
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/20 14:49:55 (permalink)
    The Polaris AWD system is better for technical trail riding and deep, off camber mud and ruts. It engages both wheels and delivers equal power to both front tires. Can-Am's system is much improved, but still falls short of the Polaris AWD system when u need to control the speed of all the tires in contact to maintain traction. I think Greg Jacobs had several videos comparing the two systems head to head on his website (jacobsatvadventures).

    This is only my personal opinion from my experience owning several bikes and using both systems.
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/20 16:15:49 (permalink)
    Im starting to favor the AWD of Polaris as well. I Love the Visco, and yes Visco has come a LONG way. But IMO you shouldnt have to keep constant throttle to keep the front end engaged. I think thats where Polaris has an edge. My XP900 has an awesome 4wd system. I dont have any experience with the other PooPoos.

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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/20 16:52:01 (permalink)
    madppcs, they all use the same system. I lovin' my 900XP as well!

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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/20 16:52:02 (permalink)
    I own a 850xp.. and honestly have never ridden the can am... but i will give you the good about the popo... i am running a 28 inch zillas on my bike. What are you going for? Are you going to lift the bike? with mine that locker system in the front helps a ton but i could get any bike on the planet stuck... to me the price difference is why i got a popo... because honestly i will/would/could break any of them even a honda 300 4x4.. (done it) lol. For the price the power ground clearance and comfort i went popo. i paid 9400 OTD for a 12 850 xp with Zillas and 14 inch ss108's.. can am with the same would have been 12,500 easy im sure...
     
     

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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/20 17:38:21 (permalink)
    Yeah which ever one I get I will put a two or three inch lift on. I'm lookin for versatility something good in the mud, on the trails and comfortable. I'm not sure about the visc lok on the can am. How does it work?
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/20 19:19:21 (permalink)
    the visco lok works as a vaccum in the front diff.. when you give throttle it pumps up and engages the 4th wheel... other wise when running in 4x4 its techincally 3x4 untill you lose traction on the front wheel... 
     
    polaris actually gave up the rights to the visco lok back in the day and began there thing with the hillard clutch... 
    the QE visko lok is as close as your gonna come to a full locker imo... 
    i owned a polaris before i got my canam... and i think polaris is more comfortable.. but the power of the canam... is hands down awsome...  and actually the new 12's actually feel like a polaris to me... thats why i dont like them... im gonna stick to the gen1 canam
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/20 21:07:01 (permalink)
    Thanks Harley I didn't know how that setup worked but got it now. I think with the 13 models coming up I'm gonna wait and see Wat new surprises can am & polaris have. It will be probably Sept or Oct before I sign papers on something so I will have a little more time to do some more research and decide. Thanks for all the help guys.
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/20 21:59:32 (permalink)
    Mud, popo wins as stated. Can-Am ground clearance is funny to me. They advertise 12" on their site, but it's really a little over 2" less. I went to the dealer and measured. As far as lifting a can-am. You can get a 2" bracket lift but that's it. No tires bigger than 29.5s without major rubbing issues. Anything over that you're looking at $3500 for a catvos 4". Can-Am wins in the power, fit and finish, durability, categories.
     
    Popo you can get a 3" lift with a 2.5" rake for $600 and a few front axles and you will TOWER over the canam in ground clearance. And can run up to 33s. They have great power just a little less than can-am. Can-Am feels more sporty. Easier to wheelie, more snappy power etc. An unnamed buddy of mine who races can-ams was telling me the popo clutch is muuuch better than can-am. You really need a new primary for the can-am to get full potential ($800) the popo does fine with a kit. Supposedly the bushing and ball joint issues are worked out on the 2012 popos... Polaris, for the money is a great atv. The reason I keep thinking in the back of my mind I should reconsider a Popo is the ground clearance and $3000 less it costs to buy
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/20 22:29:28 (permalink)
    I have the two above bikes in my hands as we speak. I have a 2011 XP, 2010 XP Touring, and 2010 Can-Am XTP.
     
     The Polaris AWD is nice, but you have to remember it is a AWD not 4x4. The rear wheels actually spin faster than the fronts do. The XP is also more weight bias to the front of the bike. Where as the Outty is bias to the rear. This causing the XP to "plow" through the mud instead of stay on top of it. With my experience Can-Am trailing arms and rear weight bias gets the nod in the mud.
     
    As far as a trail bike, the XP to me has better features for an all out trail bike. Little smoother ride and an awesome power steering. The Polaris also has a better clutch design from the factory. To me the XP with it's true AWD system and ADC for the steep hills, gets the nod for a true trail rig.
     
    Now with all that being said, I truely believe you get what you pay for. If you are the kind of guy that works on your own stuff. Polaris engineering absolutely SUCKS on their ATVs!!! I hate working on the XPs. The quality of the Polaris ATVs is junk compared to BRP. The power is pretty close, but there are tons more mods for a Can-Am. Yes, the XP has more GC, but you also get weaker axles. Oh and change a belt on an XP one time, and you will wish you had bought a bike with a side mounted clutch system.
     
    I love my Outty, and have had way more fun on it that I ever did on either of the XPs.
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/21 09:01:16 (permalink)
    i dont like to disagree with people but there is nothing wrong the height of a canam.. it might be a little shorter but i've seen more stuck polaris's than can-am's 
    I dont wanna be the person defending can am but get your crap straight... i have a 2 inch home made bracket lift with 31's on my can-am... with the floor boards on... 
     
    and as for the clutching... there isnt anything wrong with the stock clutching.. even with just a kit for the primary... unless your gonna race it and put a 916 or bigger there isnt really any reason why you need to buy a new primary..the potentional that the "stock" clutch has is plenty power for a new canam rider. imo...
    really it comes down to how competitive you wanna be...  if you wanna keep up with the jones's you could dump 10k into a polaris or a canam... 
     
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/21 09:32:45 (permalink)
    Yea I don't think ground clearance makes a differance on a can am because of there trailing arms. Main reason I say this is I had 18 inch of ground clearance on my brute and was riding with a can am with 15. We both had 29.5's and I had the most trouble making it threw the holes. And the can am was havin no trouble at all. I tried everything diff lock, wide open,and even trying to be easy didn't matter the can am beat my tail in the mud.




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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/21 10:15:28 (permalink)
    I went a couple weeks ago and test drove both bikes. Being a test drive all I really could find out on the little test run was the hp difference and how comfortable they were. I just figured you guys had a little more riding experience on the machines. When I road the outty it was very comfortable and a lot more snappy on acceleration than the popo. I have always been a fan of the can am bikes just never could afford one. I bought a ranger crew last August and I like it but one popo may be enough cause I been doin the work on it myself and it is a pain to work on sometimes. I could only imagine on the sportsman it more compact a lot less room to get to stuff. To me the can am is more flashy it has better features like the screen and the shifted and lights are more appealing. The shifted on the popo is an eye soar looks like it came off of a 80's model ford pickup. I got a little time to make a decision.
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/21 10:37:00 (permalink)
    see thats what i like about canam.. if you take of a couple pieces of plastic that are only held on by the plastic rivots... its really easy to get at everything...
     
    and if you you wanna do your own things.. you can buy a plain jane can am 800 or 1000 and do your own things.. that will save you some money.. you pay like a extra 2 or 3k for a xt... although there are a couple down falls... from what i hear .. the QE visko lok is only on the xt.. and the xt comes with DPS (power steering)...
     
    i bought the plain one... put my own winch and under armor. and wheels and tires... and the front and rear bumpers are alot cheaper if you look around... that being said. if you get a non xt.. you wont have power steering and the QE... and all that other stuff... i bought my 2011 for 7650 otd... 


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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/21 10:48:01 (permalink)
    Wat is the difference between visco lok and visco lok QE I seen that they offered it on the xt. I would like the power steering but don't know if its worth the money. Another thing it shows on the website they only offer the regular in viper red and I'm not a fan of red.
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/21 10:49:05 (permalink)
    Wat is the difference between visco lok and visco lok QE I seen that they offered it on the xt. I would like the power steering but don't know if its worth the money. Another thing it shows on the website they only offer the regular in viper red.
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/21 11:02:38 (permalink)
    the QE engages a little faster... now i have owned 2 canam's the 09... and 11... i have ridden 2012's and 11's with the QE... to me i dont see a diffrence.. and i have no time to pay attention to throttle control.. because if you let off the gas with the visko lok.. it disengages and you have to re-engage the visko lok be repressing the throttle... ( because its like a sort of vaccum pump )  realistically you dont even notice... i dont.. and all i look for is mudd.. which is getting harder to come by up in wisconsin
     
    to me.. 2 tire rotations isnt that much if it is even that much... just like the polaris is a locker.. but the front dont spin untill the back have slipped about 3/4's of a rotation.. i think.. 


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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/21 11:37:27 (permalink)
    Does engage at certain rpm? Or when you accelerate and it senses over rotation of the rear at any rpm.
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/21 11:53:37 (permalink)
    no when you have it in 4x4.. when the front tire.. i think the passenger side tire slips the vaccum starts building up pressure in the front diff and engages the other tire.. almost instant..
     
    but thats why people say you have to have good throttle control because when you let off the gas it dissengages and you lose that wheels power... untill you re-engage...  
    trust me you dont  really realize any of this is going on...
     
    there is a website  jacobsatvadventures go there and somewhere on this site there is a comparrison between the canam and polaris... 


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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/21 13:41:41 (permalink)
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    i dont like to disagree with people but there is nothing wrong the height of a canam.. it might be a little shorter but i've seen more stuck polaris's than can-am's 
    I dont wanna be the person defending can am but get your crap straight... i have a 2 inch home made bracket lift with 31's on my can-am... with the floor boards on... 

    and as for the clutching... there isnt anything wrong with the stock clutching.. even with just a kit for the primary... unless your gonna race it and put a 916 or bigger there isnt really any reason why you need to buy a new primary..the potentional that the "stock" clutch has is plenty power for a new canam rider. imo...
    really it comes down to how competitive you wanna be...  if you wanna keep up with the jones's you could dump 10k into a polaris or a canam... 

    if you wanna really find out for yourself... goto a dealship and test drive both... like the commercial says... "the ride says it all"..ha

    Fitting 31s on a G2 and riding hard will result in some burned holes in your fenders. That's all I heard when I asked about it on here in a few threads down. Same on other forums. You've seen more popos stuck? So nothing else comes into play besides the atv? I've seen guys with a 6" lift get stuck in holes I went through.... Rider and many other variables come into play as well.
     
    I'm just going by what I was told by a can-am mud racer. He knows what I'm looking to buy and for what purpose... Fast trail bike and mud bike. But I agree what's necessary to some may not be to others. I've read that the can-am clutching could be a lot better from the factory. But, on the flip side a LOT of stuff from popo needs to come a long way to get to can-am's level.
     
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    Yea I don't think ground clearance makes a differance on a can am because of there trailing arms. Main reason I say this is I had 18 inch of ground clearance on my brute and was riding with a can am with 15. We both had 29.5's and I had the most trouble making it threw the holes. And the can am was havin no trouble at all. I tried everything diff lock, wide open,and even trying to be easy didn't matter the can am beat my tail in the mud.

    What is it about the Trailing arms that you think makes it better? I'm seriously curious. I've read this a few times in different places. What is the reasoning?
     
    Seems to me if your skids are 2" lower than another guys you're gonna get hung up regardless. Rider, exact lines, who goes first... All comes into play.
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/21 14:12:25 (permalink)
    The only thing I ever found difficult about an xp would be to change a belt with it being mounted in the rear but besides that, with the side panels off it's not a hard bike to work on at all... everything is pretty easy
     
    And the shifter, well I think everyone thinks it looks weird but I find it`s the easiest to use on any bike out there, it`s right there with a positive feel, I have never liked these small shifters tucked up front on all the bikes. 
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/21 16:04:12 (permalink)
    The Can-Am trailing arm system has a lot less drag on it than a true A-Arm bike does. There is just less physical parts to drag through the mud on a Can-Am. The frame itself also has a lot less drag on it than other brands too. 

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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/21 16:13:40 (permalink)
    Just for comparison. Here's a pic of my 850 Touring with a Raked CATVOS 3", and my Outty with a CATVOS 6". Now you may say, "Well the Outty hAs a 6", and the 850 just a 3"", but a lot of people are saying that a Can-Am with a 6" has just as much GC as a 850 with a 3". So here it is....
     
    The 850 has right at 18" of GC at the rear diff with the 32s, and the Outty is right at 19" with the 29.5s.
     
    Look at how much less restricted the Outty is in the rear suspension than the 850. There just is nothing to drag in the mud on the Outty.
     

     


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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/21 17:33:52 (permalink)
    Thank you very much for posting that. Makes sense to me!
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/21 21:46:10 (permalink)
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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/23 12:59:14 (permalink)
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    the QE engages a little faster... now i have owned 2 canam's the 09... and 11... i have ridden 2012's and 11's with the QE... to me i dont see a diffrence.. and i have no time to pay attention to throttle control.. because if you let off the gas with the visko lok.. it disengages and you have to re-engage the visko lok be repressing the throttle... ( because its like a sort of vaccum pump )  realistically you dont even notice... i dont.. and all i look for is mudd.. which is getting harder to come by up in wisconsin

    to me.. 2 tire rotations isnt that much if it is even that much... just like the polaris is a locker.. but the front dont spin untill the back have slipped about 3/4's of a rotation.. i think.. 
    I found that the QE is WORLD's better/faster than the old Visco....it engages with about 1/4 to a 1/2 turn of one front tire...it is nearly instant. My 07 took about 4 or 5 spins of a front tire before the other one kicked in. I just did two days of Alberta spring-time trails....water, mud, skeg....snow, ice, back to water...haha...leaving 'er in 4x4 and having the power steering is a beautiful thing! You'll be driving along on 10" of melting snow and all of a sudden the bottom drops out and you're in 3 feet of water...nice to be ready to twist on it without having to stop and change gears or put it in 4x4.

    post edited by DaveB - 2012/04/23 13:01:35

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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/23 13:39:49 (permalink)
    To me, the only thing that mattered was durability and build quality. As you can see by my user name I was a diehard Polaris man until 2007. After going through a new Polaris Sportsman every 10-11 months, I made the jump to Can Am.
     
    I've had 3 Can Am's since then and have loved every minute of it. You can make ANY bike look like you want, go like you want but in the end if your working on it out on the trail or spending Monday-Friday fixing it to ride on the weekend, how much are you gonna enjoy it?

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    Re:1000 outlander vs 850xp H.O. 2012/04/23 14:21:49 (permalink)
    That's Wat I wanted to know was durability and overall as a machine. I'm still gonna wait till the 13 models come out to see if there is anything new from can am but almost positive I will be gettin a outty.
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